I've been using Ammo Mig and Citadel paint to get better at hand brushing, but I've had some issues with these two. Ammo is too runny for a wet palette. It runs around, separating in the process, not good to use. Citadel, I dunno, the batch I have is dying off faster than usual. Some are chunky on the first open. They are all thinned differently. I dont like them. Either one is too finicky. Bought just a couple bottles of these 3rd gens. Love them. They sit on the wet palette really nice, don't dry out fast, work well with mediums, and can also be shot out of an airbrush (tried it without thinning and with thinning. Both worked amazingly). Im going to be replacing all my citadel paints, with these 3rd gens. I really liked the experience with the paint itself, their color range, and its versatility.